Healing Racism: A Community Dialogue (Hosted By Tina Martin)
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Healing Racism: A Community Dialogue (Hosted By Tina Martin)


>>>STAY TUNED FOR HEALING RACISM, A COMMUNITY DIALOGUE, NEXT.>>>SUPPORT FOR “CONNECTING POINT” IS PROVIDED BY OUR CONTRIBUTING VIEWERS, AND BY… THE BEVERAGE FOUNDATION.>>>GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO HEALING RACISM, A COMMUNITY DIALOGUE. A SPECIAL LIVE DISCUSSION. I’M TINA MARTIN AND I’LL BE YOUR HOST FOR TONIGHT. WE HOPE FOR AN OPEN AND HONEST DISCUSSION ON RACE AND RACE RELATIONS IN OUR COUNTRY. WE INVITE YOU TO JOY THE CONVERSATION ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER USING WGBYDIALOGUE. YOU CAN WATCH ON YOUTUBE. WE WILL BE TAKING SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS HERE, AS WELL AS QUESTIONS FROM OUR STUDIO AUDIENCE BEHIND US. THEY’RE FANTASTIC. LET’S INTRODUCE OUR PANELISTS. WE HAVE TALBERT SWAN AND LISA BAKOWSKI AND HESHIMI MOJA AND DAVID WOODS IS FOUNDER OF THE LEADERSHIP PIONEER VALLEY. LET’S START OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE HEALING RACISM INSTITUTE. TELL US ABOUT THE WORK YOU’RE DOING.>>THANK YOU, TINA. SO, THIS IS A FULL-CIRCLE MOMENT FOR US. THE HEALING RACISM INSTITUTE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS AND WE HAVE ENGAGED COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND OVER 170 AGENCIES ARE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. OUR GOAL IS TO IDENTIFY INTERNALIZED RACISM, INTERPERSONAL RACISM, STRUCTURAL RACISM AND HELP PEOPLE ENGAGE IN CONVERSATIONS TO ELIMINATE BIAS AND DISCRIMINATION. SO I HOPE THAT PEOPLE ENGAGE IN THIS WONDERFUL DIALOGUE YOU’RE IN WITH A GREAT PANEL. AMAZING AUDIENCE AND WE REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO ALSO THE SOCIAL MEDIA ENGAGEMENT. SO, WE’LL START IT OFF WITH YOU, BISHOP SWAN, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT RACE DISCUSSIONS ARE SO DIFFICULT? OR ARE THEY DIFFICULT?>>THEY ARE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT AND I THINK THAT’S PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH DEALING WITH RACISM IN AMERICA IS THE DIFFICULTY IN HAVING CANDID CONVERSATIONS. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RACISM, PEOPLE’S DEFENSES GO UP. THERE ARE CERTAIN NAMES AND LANGUAGE THAT IS INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION AND SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RACE, RACISM, BIGOTRY, THOSE ARE NAMES AND CONNOTATIONS THAT PEOPLE DON’T LIKE ASSOCIATED WITH THEMSELVES SO THE DEFENSE MECHANISMS GO UP AND PEOPLE RELUCTANT TO HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION. SO I THINK CONVERSATIONS LIKE WHAT WE ARE HAVING TODAY ARE IMPORTANT AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DEAL WITH A PROBLEM IS TO TALK ABOUT IT AND TO DEAL WITH IT HONESTLY. IN ORDER TO FIX IT, YOU GOT TO FACE IT.>>DAVID WOODS, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?>>YEAH, I REALLY DO, TINA. I’M A WHITE GUY. 80 YEARS OLD. I GREW UP IN A SEGREGATED CITY IN BALTIMORE. I DIDN’T SEE A BLACK PERSON UNTIL I WAS AT COLLEGE, 18, 19 YEARS OLD. OVER MY LIFETIME, IT’S BEEN A REAL JOURNEY FOR ME TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE I AM NOW AND IT WAS NEVER EASY. NEVER EASY, BUT I CAME TO UNDERSTAND THAT — THAT THE KEY TO — TO HEALING RACISM, TO UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER IS TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER. JUST TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. JUST TO LISTEN TO EACH OTHER. AND BUILD RELATIONSHIPS BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS. SO, IT IS DIFFICULT. BUT IT’S POSSIBLE.>>AND LISA, AS AN EDUCATOR, DO YOU BELIEVE IT STARTS AT A YOUNG AGE?>>IT ABSOLUTELY STARTS AT A YOUNG AGE. I THINK IT’S PERVASIVE SO IT SHOULD BE TAUGHT AND INSTILLED IN BOTH THE HOME AND EDUCATION SETTINGS. ONCE CHILDREN ADVANCE IN THEIR AGE, IT’S DIFFICULT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT OPENING UP AND BEING A RECEPTOR BECAUSE AS WE SAY IN HEALING RACISM, THAT IS SOMEONE ELSE’S REALITY. AND REALLY EMPTHUICIZE, YOU’RE UNDERSTANDING AND YOU’RE OPENING UP TO SOMEONE ELSE’S WORLD.>>HESHIMI, SHE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO START PEOPLE AT A YOUNGER AGE AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU’RE NOT DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE NECESSARILY ALWAYS YOUNGER. WHAT IS THE STRATEGY WHEN THEY ARE OLDER AND PEOPLE ARE DEFENSIVE ABOUT IT?>>DEALING WITH ADULTS AND DEALING WITH THE INSTITUTE FOR THE HEALING OF RACISM, WHEN WE’RE DEALING WITH THE UNCOMFORTABLE TOPIC ON RACE — LISA TOUCHED ON A POINT — THE ABILITY TO OPEN UP AND EXPERIENCE THE REALITY OF OTHER PEOPLE. LISTENING. THE WAY IT WORKS IN THE INSTITUTE IS WE ENGAGE IN SOMETHING CALLED A DYAD WHERE WE GIVE PEOPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO SIT AND LISTEN AND BE ENGAGED AS LISTENERS. NOT ENGAGING IN CONVERSATION OR DEBATE OR ANY TYPE OF DIALOGUE, BUT LISTENING. AND QUITE OFTEN, AS BISHOP SWAN MENTIONED, AS SOON AS WE BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF RACE, PEOPLE’S DEFENSES GO UP AND PEOPLE WANT TO SOMEHOW DEFEND THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY DON’T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH BIGOTRY OR BEING A RACIST OR HAVING RACIST TENDENCIES. WHEN WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK AND WE DON’T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND RIGHT AWAY, THEN WE REALLY ARE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN BEGIN TO HEAR BECAUSE WE’RE PRACTICING THE ART OF SILENCE AND DEEP LISTENING.>>AND NOW, THIS IS ALL ABOUT AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION, AS WELL. SO I’M ACTUALLY GOING TO THROW A QUESTION TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO COME AND TALK TO ME. WE ELECTED THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY. I’LL HAVE YOU COME TOWARDS ME AND DUCK DOWN. TELL ME YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU’RE FROM AND WE’RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS CAMERA.>>DAVID ANDREWS, I’M FROM WEIGHTLY NOW. ORIGINALLY FROM CHICAGO. ONE MORE TIME, SORRY — CAN YOU ASK ME?>>WE ELECTED OUR FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT, HAS THAT BEEN GOOD OR BAD FOR OUR RACE RELATIONS?>>YES AND NO. YES, BECAUSE IT’S A HISTORY-CHANGING MOMENT, HAVING AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT. AT THE SAME TIME, FOR MOST BLACK PEOPLE, OUR SITUATION DIDN’T CHANGE. IT WOULDN’T HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE WHO WON THAT ELECTION, ACTUALLY. SO, THERE’S YOUR YES AND NO.>>THERE’S YOUR YES AND NO. BISHOP, SWAN, DO YOU AGREE AS A PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP?>>I AGREE, YES AND NO. IT WAS SIGNIFICANT IN SHOWING THAT PROGRESS HAD BEEN MADE IN AMERICA WHERE THERE WERE PERSONS WHO NEVER THOUGHT IN THEIR LIFETIME THEY WOULD SEE AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN SIT IN THE OVAL OFFICE. FOR ALL OF THOSE PIONEERS WHO FOUGHT FOR THE NAMED AND UNNAMED INDIVIDUALS THROUGH THE YEARS, WHO FOUGHT, THAT WAS A POSITIVE. BUT I THINK BARACK OBAMA’S ELECTION WOKE UP A RACISM UNDERBELLY. THE CRESHEND OE OF THAT WAS THE ELECTION OF DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP WAS THE RESULT OF EIGHT YEARS OF BLATANT RACISM THAT WAS STIRED UP BECAUSE AMERICA HAD THE ADACITY TO ELECT THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESIDENT IN THE NATION’S HISTORY. THAT GAVE RISE TO THE TEA PARTY AND SO MANY OTHER RACIST ELEMENTS THAT REARED THEIR UGLY HEAD IN AMERICA AND NOW HERE WE ARE SITTING IN THIS MOMENT WITH MARCHES, LARGER THAN THE INAUGURATION HAPPENING THE DAY AFTER BECAUSE OF THE RACIST ELEMENT THAT HAS BEEN AWAKENED IN AMERICA.>>FOR THOSE OF US DOING WORK WITH SOCIAL JUSTICE, I THINK PERSONALLY FOR MYSELF, I HEAR MORE PEOPLE SAY, WELL, DOES RACISM REALLY EXIST BECAUSE YOU ALL JUST ELECTED A BLACK PRESIDENT. I’VE HEARD THAT SO MANY TIMES. WELL, YES, I AGREE. THAT IT WAS A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR US. BUT THAT IS JUST A PIECE OF IT. AND RACISM, UNFORTUNATELY, IS STILL REARING ITS UGLY HEAD EVERYWHERE. WHEN YOU SIT AND HAVE DIALOGUES AND LET THEM KNOW, THAT WAS ONE PART IN TIME, MASS INCARCERATION IS STILL HAPPENING. EVERY SINGLE DAY, THERE ARE MICROAGGRESSIONS AND MACROAGGRESSIONS. SO ALTHOUGH IT WAS ONE POINT IN HISTORY, IT HASN’T MADE AS BIG OF AN IMPACT AS I WOULD HAVE LIKED.>>FROM THE AUDIENCE, DOES ANYONE — IS THERE A DATE ON THE LAST CONVERSATION YOU HAD ABOUT RACE WITH A COWORKER OR A FAMILY MEMBER, THAT YOU FOUND TO BE ADVERSARIAL? I SEE SOME PEOPLE SHAKING THEIR HEADS. THIS — WE’RE ALL FAMILY HERE. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? DON’T BE SHY. DON’T BE SHY. COME ON. STAND ON UP. [LAUGHTER]>>AND I HOLD THE MIKE. [LAUGHTER]>>I GOT IT.>>MY NAME IS WILETTE JOHNSON. I’M A RETIRED EDUCATOR AND I’VE BEEN A PART OF HEALING RACISM FOR SOME TIME. I HAVEN’T HAD A CONVERSATION LATELY WHEREBY I FELT DISCOMFORT OR THE INDIVIDUAL HAD DISCOMFORT. THROUGH MY CAREER WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, IT WAS ONGOING, DAILY. AND HAVING HAD THE PLEASURE TO SERVE AS THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRINCIPAL OF A HIGH SCHOOL, I HAD TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE, ALL THE TIME. SO I DID WANT TO SAY, TODAY, THAT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF A WORKSHOP AND THEY’RE BEGINNING TO TALK ABOUT ALLIED DEVELOPMENT. ONCE PEOPLE ARE INTRODUCED TO RACISM AND IDENTIFIED AS SUCH, HOW DO YOU NOW DEVELOP PEOPLE WHO CAN COME IN AND HELP THEM TO LEARN HOW TO SAY OR NOT TO SAY, OH, I DON’T SEE COLOR. OR THINGS THAT HAVE, FOR YEARS, HAVE BEEN ALMOST RIDICULOUS. I LIKE THIS ALLY DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WILL THE WORK BE IN TERMS OF HEALING RACISM AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY AND NATIONALLY THAT HELP PEOPLE. AS WE’VE IDENTIFIED RACISM AND WHAT DO I SAY, IF I’M A PERSON WHO’S HEALED AND I WANT TO BRING SOMEBODY ELSE ONBOARD? DO I DRAG THEM OR IS THERE A PROCESS FOR BRINGING OTHER PEOPLE ONBOARD>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DAVID WOODS, I WANT TO ASK YOU, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT RACE AND RACISM. HOW DO YOU DEFINE RACISM?>>I THINK RACE — WELL, THAT’S A GOOD QUESTION. RACISM, TO ME, MEANS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING, A PERSON WHO IS DIFFERENT FROM ME AND FEAR AND SUSPICION, AS A RESULT OF THAT AND THEN ATTITUDE TOWARDS THEM, THEN, OF SEPARATENESS, YOU KNOW, PUSHING THEM AWAY. NOT WANTING TO BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP. I MEAN, I THINK — I REALLY THINK THAT HAVING GROWN UP AS A RACIST — AND I READILY ADMIT THAT IN A SEGREGATED TOWN OF BALTIMORE, MARYLAND.>>WERE YOU A RACIST OR IN A SEGREGATED TOWN, I THINK THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS?>>NOT IN BALTIMORE. [LAUGHTER] .>>OKAY.>>I FORGOT WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT. NO, I REMEMBER NOW. BUT IT WAS FEAR THAT WAS AT THE HEART OF THAT. YOU KNOW, WHO IS THIS BLACK PERSON AND WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? WHAT ABOUT THEM? AND, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY — THE ONLY WAY TO GET OVER THE — PEOPLE CAN TALK TO ME ALL DAY LONG. WHAT MY MOTHER ALWAYS DID, SHE WAS WONDERFUL. BUT UNTIL YOU ENGAGE IN A CONVERSATION, UNTIL YOU TRY TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP, YOU GOT TO DO THAT DELIBERATELY. YOU GOT TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS ACROSS RACIAL LINES, WHETHER IT’S AFRICAN-AMERICAN, LATINO OR ASIAN. UNTIL YOU DO THAT, YOU’RE NEVER GOING TO GET OVER THAT FEAR.>>LISA.>>YOU COULD SEE MY –>>YES, CHOMPING AT THE BIT.>>I’M GOING TO READILY ADMIT, RACISM IS A DISEASE OF THE WHITE PEOPLE. IT’S A DISEASE THAT IS INHERENT IN FOLKS WHO ARE IN PERCEIVED CONTROL, WHICH IN THIS COUNTRY, IT IS THOSE WHO ARE WHITE. IT’S NOT A — IT’S NOT A DISEASE OF PEOPLE OF BROWN AND BLACK SKIN. IT’S OUR ISSUE. WE’RE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE — THE RACIST AND RACISM EPIDEMIC IN THIS COUNTRY AND I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD TO MR. WOODS. THAT IS ADEMIC IN THE WHITE POPULATION.>>I WANT TO SAY TO THE FOLKS AT HOME WHO ARE FOLLOWING US ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER, FEEL FREE TO SEND US MESSAGES AND QUESTIONS. WE WANT YOU TO ENGAGE WITH US. THIS IS OUR SPECIAL HERE ON WGBY SO CERTAINLY MESSAGES WITH THAT HASHTAG. GO AHEAD.>>SURE. SO, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT BECAUSE THESE TOPICS ARE SO UNCOMFORTABLE, PEOPLE TEND TO DANCE AROUND THE ISSUES. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RACISM, IN AMERICA, YOU KNOW, BISHOP SWAN BROUGHT UP THE IDEA THAT — BROUGHT UP THE POINT THAT THE ELECTION OF BARACK OBAMA ALSO BROUGHT ABOUT A GREAT DEAL OF BACKLASH AND AWAKENED, IN MANY PEOPLE, OR BROUGHT TO THE FOREFRONT THE RACIST TENDENCIES THAT — IN THE UNDERBELLY OR THE UNDERTONE, I BELIEVE, IS THE WORD YOU USED, BISHOP, BROUGHT IT TO THEFOREFRONTS. TODAY, IT’S KIND OF IRONIC. WE’RE CELEBRATING THE 146TH BIRTHDAY OR WHAT WOULD BE THE 146TH OF [INDISCERNIBLE], WHO SAID THAT THE PROBLEM OF THE 20TH CENTURY WAS THE COLOR LINE AND NOW, IN THE 21ST CENTURY, WE STILL DEAL WITH THE IDEA OF THE COLOR LINE BECAUSE WHEN WE DEAL WITH RACE IN AMERICA, NOBODY WANTS TO ADMIT THAT THE INSTITUTIONS, THAT THE STRUCTURES IN OUR COUNTRY ARE DEVELOPED, THEY’RE WOVEN TOGETHER WITH A FABRIC OF RACISM. RACISM — THERE’S A SIMPLE DEFINITION, THAT’S PREJUDICE PLUS POWER EQUALS RACISM. SO THE IDEA THAT OUR PREJUDICES, WHICH COME FROM OUR PERCEPTION OF OTHER PEOPLE, AND OUR PERCEPTIONS ARE BORN THROUGH OUR FIVE SENSES. AND THEY’RE BORN THROUGH OUR EXPERIENCES. SO, IF, FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE LIKE DAVID OF GROWING UP IN A SEGREGATED TOWN WHERE YOU PRETTY MUCH DEAL WITH EVERYBODY WHO LOOKS LIKE YOU, YOU GO TO CHURCH WITH PEOPLE THAT LOOK LIKE YOU, THERE’S NO REASON FOR YOU TO HAVE ANY INKLING IN YOUR MIND, ANY THOUGHT THAT THERE’S SOMETHING IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS THAT’S PREJUDICE. BUT WHEN PEOPLE BEGIN TO INTERACT, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT WE’RE CONDITIONED, THE RACIALIZED THINKING IN AMERICA THAT IS PART OF THE FABRIC, WHETHER WE’RE DEALING WITH CHURCHES — MALCOLM X SAID THE MOST SEGREGATED HOUR IS HIGH NOON ON SUNDAY. THEY RUN OFF TO SEPARATE CORNERS TO PRACTICE THEIR FAITH. THE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, THE LACK OF ACCESS TO BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE IN AMERICA, TO HOUSING, TO LOANS, TO EDUCATION. THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE WOVEN INTO THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY SO WHEN SOMEONE COMES INTO OUR CIRCLE THAT DOESN’T LOOK LIKE US, THAT DOESN’T THINK LIKE US, AUTOMATICALLY SOMETHING IS SPARKED IN US, THAT FEELING OF FEAR THAT DAVID MENTIONED AND THAT FEAR CAUSES US TO REACT IN A WAY THAT IF IT’S NOT CHECK IN ITS EARLY STAGES, CAN DEVELOP INTO THE TYPE OF ACTIONS THAT WE SEE NOW IN OUR COUNTRY. THE RISE IN HATE CRIMES SINCE THE ELECTION. THE POLICIES THAT ARE NOW BEING PUT INTO PLACE BY OUR GOVERNMENT. BECAUSE THESE THINGS ARE NOT NEW. THEY’RE WOVEN INTO THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY. PEOPLE THINK THEY’RE NEW. WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS DOING IS NOT NEW. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS EXISTED SINCE THE COUNTRY WAS BORN. HE’S ONLY A MANIFESTATION OR REPRESENTATION OF SOME THINKING THAT EXISTS IN THE LIFE BLOOD OF THE COUNTRY. AND HE HAS BECOME A VOICE THAT’S EMBOLDENED PEOPLE TO ACT IN A PARTICULAR WAY. HE’S GIVEN THEM LICENSE TO ACT IN THE WAY THAT THEY ACT OR SPEAK THE WAY THAT THEY SPEAK. THEY WOULDN’T HAVE DARED PRIOR TO THE ELECTION OF OUR PRESIDENT. SO THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE SO UNCOMFORTABLE THAT WE SKATE AROUND AND WE NEVER WANT TO FACE THESE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF STIGMAS THAT GO ALONG WITH FACING THE REALITY OF OUR COUNTRY. WE DON’T WANT TO BE CALLED UNPATRIOTIC WHEN WE QUESTION THE COUNTRY. WE DON’T WANT TO BE CALLED UNSPIRITUAL OR UNRELIGIOUS IF WE QUESTION BECAUSE OUR RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS HAVE TAUGHT US NOT TO QUESTION. SO, THE FACT THAT WE QUESTION MAKES PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE AND ■ WE RUN OFF INTO OUR SILOS SO THAT’S WHY THE PROBLEM OF THE 21ST CENTURY IS STILL THE COLOR LINE. IF I FIND OUT I HAVE A SICKNESS IN MY BODY AND I CONTINUE TO REFUSE TO DEAL WITH THE SICKNESS IN MY BODY, EVENTUALLY MY BODY IS GOING TO TELL ME, YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DEAL WITH IT BECAUSE I’M GOING TO GET KNOCKED OUT AND GO TO THE HOSPITAL. AMERICA’S COME TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DEAL WITH –>>HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT DEALING WITH IT, NOT TO CUT YOU OFF? IT IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT BUT HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH IT? WE’RE LEARNING THAT IT’S ENGRAINED INTO THE FABRIC OF THE COUNTRY. HOW DO YOU UNRAVEL THAT?>>SOME STRUCTURES HAVE TO REALLY BE REBUILT. THE REALITY IS — HE WAS SO ACCURATE IN SAYING THAT IT’S IN THE LIFE BLOOD OF AMERICA. SO WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A BARACK OBAMA-ELECTED PRESIDENT AND PEOPLE POINT TO, LOOK, THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING ELECTED. THERE ARE BLACKS WHO ARE NOW THE HEADS AND CEOs OF THAT, THAT MEANS RACISM HAS DISSIPATED. TAKING A BLACK PERSON AND PUTTING THEM IN AN INSTITUTION THAT IS RACIST DOES NOT REDUCE RACISM. THEY YET, AND STILL, HAVE TO DEAL IN THAT ENVIRONMENT THAT HAS NOT CHANGED SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE’S A BLACK FACE THERE. IT’S NO MORE THAN WHAT WE SEE IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS. HIRING MORE BLACK COPS DOES NOT DEAL WITH SYSTEMIC RACISM WITHIN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE INSTITUTION ITSELF AND ANALYZE THAT AND WHAT OTHER RACE ELEMENTS ARE IN THIS INSTITUTION AND WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO BE FIXED? PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PIG DOESN’T MEAN IT’S NOT A PIG ANYMORE. [LAUGHTER]>>ANYONE WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? KEEP TALKING, BISHOP SWAN.>>I THINK WHAT’S IMPORTANT IS JUST THE FACT THAT WE CAN STILL BE HERE IN 2017, IN THE 21ST CENTURY, 100 YEARS AFTER DEBOY DECLARED THAT THE PROBLEM IS THE COLOR LINE AND HIS NAME IS DOBUIS. I KNOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM SPELLING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. [LAUGHTER] THE FACT THAT WE’RE STILL HAVING BLACK FIRSTS IN 2017 SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT RACISM IS YET AND STILL ENGRAINED.>>CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ON WHAT HE JUST SAID? IT’LL BE VERY QUICK. BISHOP SWAN SAID TO ME, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, HE SAID, DAVID, WE BOTH LIVE IN A WHITE WORLD. BUT YOU’RE A WHITE MAN AND YOU WAKE UP IN THAT WORLD. I’M A BLACK MAN AND I WAKE UP IN THAT WHITE WORLD. IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST PROFOUND THINGS ANYBODY HAS EVER SAID TO ME.>>I TEND TO BE THAT WAY. [LAUGHTER]>>HE’S ALSO VERY MODEST ABOUT THAT.>>TELL US YOUR NAME?>>TAHERA. I’M FROM SPRINGFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE QUESTION YOU HAD ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE IMPACT OF A BARACK OBAMA PRESIDENCY AND LISTENING TO OUR PANELISTS DISCUSS WHAT THAT WAS LIKE. I’D LIKE TO JUST RESPOND BY SAYING THAT ONE OF THE LAST FACEBOOK MESSAGES THAT I POSTED, BEFORE THE ELECTION OR THE INAUGURATION OF DONALD TRUMP WAS THAT AS A AFRICAN-AMERICAN MUSLIM WOMAN, I HAVE KNOWN COUNTLESS PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INVITED TO THE WHITE HOUSE, MYSELF INCLUDED. WOULD OUR INCOMING PRESIDENT BE AS OPEN AND INCLUSIVE? THAT WAS MY CLOSING STATEMENT ON BARACK OBAMA’S PRESIDENCY. IT WASN’T A BLACK WHITE HOUSE, IT WAS AN INCLUSIVE WHITE HOUSE. WHEREBY NOW, PEOPLE LIKE ME AND OTHERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THESE ISSUES, WHETHER IT’S RACISM, SEXISM, RELIGIOUS ISSUES, NOW FEEL, BECAUSE OF THOSE EIGHT YEARS OF EMBOWERMENT, THAT WHEN WE’RE FACED WITH THIS SORT OF — WHAT WE’RE FEELING IS THIS TONE OF INTOLERANCE COMING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE NOW, NOW WE FEEL EMPOWERED AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF TRAINING TO REGIST THAT. HE DID SOME 11TH-HOUR THINGS THAT I THINK WE’RE SENDING MESSAGES OF SUPPORT TO US, TO NOT DESPAIR AND TO KEEP PUSHING BACK.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>YOU’RE GOING TO GO RIGHT HERE, SIR. TELL ME YOUR NAME?>>PAUL ROBINS. I THINK DAVID CAN RELATE TO THIS AND I’D LIKE TO KIND OF AMPLIFY SOMETHING HE SAID. YOU HAD ASKED IF PEOPLE HAVE UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT RACE AND IF YOU’RE A WHITE MALE, IT IS AN UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION IF YOU’RE TALKING TO OTHER WHITE MALES.>>WHY IS THAT?>>IT’S A TOXIC ISSUE.>>AMONGST WHITE MEN?>>[INDISCERNIBLE] [LAUGHTER]>>AND THE WAY IT KIND OF PLAYS ITSELF OUT IS, IF YOU BRING THE ISSUE UP AND YOU WANT TO HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH IS SOMEONE WHO’S ANOTHER WHITE MALE, IT QUICKLY DEVOLVES INTO IF THEY WOULD ONLY PULL THEMSELVES UP BY THEIR BOOTSTRAPS. OUR FOLKS CAME OVER FROM WHEREVER IT WAS, THEY SEEM TO VALUE EDUCATION. SO THE WAY I DECODE THAT FOR MYSELF IS HOW RACISM FINDS ITSELF INTO THE WHITE CONSCIOUSNESS IS THAT WHITES HAVE AN INHERENT FEELING OF SUPERIORITY OVER PEOPLE WITH COLOR. YOU’RE NOT GOING TO SAY THAT TO ANYBODY. YOU’RE GOING TO INDICATE IT BY SAYING, THEY DON’T DO THIS, THIS AND THIS.>>BLAMING, ESSENTIALLY.>>AND NOT RECOGNIZING THE EQUALITY THAT’S BASIC IN HUMAN LIFE. WHEN YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ANOTHER WHITE PERSON, IT’S VERY DIFFICULT — USUALLY, THERE’S OTHER PEOPLE LIKE DAVID WHO WAS ON THE JOURNEY WITH A LOT OF US. IT DOES DEVOLVE VERY QUICKLY. IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK ON AS A WHITE PERSON IS THIS INHERENT FEELING OF SUPERIORITY OVER PEOPLE WITH COLOR.>>BISHOP SWAN, YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO THAT.>>I THINK PAUL HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GOING BACK TO BARACK OBAMA, HERE YOU HAVE AN IVY-LEAGUE EDUCATED HARVARD GRADUATE, HEAD OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW, SOMEONE WHO MARRIED HIS COLLEGE SWEETHEART, WAS AN EXCELLENT FATHER. NO SCANDAL AROUND HIM. HE DID EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO HOW THE AVERAGE WHITE MAN SAYS YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO PULL YOURSELF UP BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS AND YET, SOMEHOW HE STILL WASN’T GOOD ENOUGH AND YET, WHENEVER YOU HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHY THERE WAS THIS HEAVY OPPOSITION TO BARACK OBAMA, IT WENT INTO POLICIES AND THEN THEY DIDN’T KNOW WHAT HALF HIS POLICIES WERE. WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT OBAMACARE, THEY DIDN’T KNOW IT WAS THE SAME THING AS THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. MY OPPOSITION TO BARACK OBAMA IS HE’S A BLACK MAN AND THEN THERE’S THE FLIPPING OF THE SCRIPT, YOU BECOME THE RACIST FOR HAVING THE ADACITY TO BRING UP THE DISCUSSION OF RACISM. IT BOGGLES MY MIND HOW MANY TIMES I’M CALLED A RACIST.>>JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE DISCUSSING IT?>>EXACTLY. YOU BRING UP THE TOPIC OR IDENTIFY WHAT IS HAPPENING. IT’S A WAY OF BEING VERY DISMISSIVE.>>WE’RE GOING TO APPEAL AGAIN FOR FOLKS WHO ARE AT HOME WHO ARE WATCHING US AT HOME, WHO ARE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, CERTAINLY, SEND IN YOUR QUESTIONS, SEND IN YOUR CONCERNS. WE DEFINITELY WANT TO TALK TO YOU. SO, PLEASE DO THAT AT HASHTAG, WGBY DIALOGUE. WE’RE GOING TO — I’M GOING TO START PICKING YOU GUYS OUT BECAUSE EVERYBODY’S SO SHY.>>I KNOW MANY OF THESE FOLKS AND THEY’RE NOT SHY.>>WE’RE GOING TO START PULLING THESE FOLKS OUT. SURE, ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE SOMEONE OVER HERE. HERE I COME. HELLO, HOW ARE YOU?>>GREAT, THANKS.>>THANKS FOR JOINING US.>>THANK YOU.>>TELL ME YOUR NAME?>>I’M STEVE ABDELL. I JUST WANT TO JUMP ON TO THIS WHITE MEN SPEAKING ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCE AND AFFIRM A STATEMENT THAT IT’S HARD TO TALK WITH OTHER WHITE MEN ABOUT THIS. I THINK THE DIFFERENCE FOR ME, AT THIS POINT — FIRST THING, THE COUPLE CONCEPTS OF INSTITUTIONAL RACISM AND WHITE PRIVILEGE ARE REAL HOT BUTTONS FOR WHITE FOLKS WHO DON’T UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT THOSE MEAN. THEY BECOME — THESE WORDS BECOME MOCKED AS PC OR SOME KIND OF — THEY’RE — IT’S VERY HEATED RIGHT NOW. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A PITCH FOR MY TRANSFORMATION, HAVING PARTICIPATED IN THE HEALING RACISM WORKSHOPS, THAT I HAD NO IDEA AND IT WAS THAT UNDERSTANDING OF MY PRIVILEGE, WHICH I TOTALLY TOOK FOR GRANTED, I MEAN, I’M A LITTLE ETHIC, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. I THOUGHT — I HAD SOMETHING — THEN I REALIZED, OH, MY GOSH, I CAN LEAVE THAT BEHIND ME. THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE CONCEPTS OF INSTITUTIONAL RACISM, HOW VALID THEY ARE AND IT’S ABOUT THE EDUCATION PROCESS, LEADING TO UNDERSTANDING AND I’M REALLY INTERESTED IN SOMEBODY LIKE ME CAN HELP TO EDUCATE MY WHITE MALE BROTHERS ABOUT THIS.>>DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY STRATEGIES ON THAT?>>IF I COULD COMMENT, REAL QUICKLY. THANK YOU FOR THAT POINT. SO, THE IDEA OF WHITE PRIVILEGE IS A HOT POINT. IT’S A TOUCHY POINT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU START DEALING WITH THE NARRATIVE IN AMERICA, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RACE, PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY, OFTEN TIMES NOW THAT THE ISSUE NOW IN AMERICA IS NOT RACE, BUT ECONOMICS, RIGHT? SO WHEN YOU START DEALING WITH — WITH WHITE FOLKS IN THE LOWER ECONOMIC BRACKET, USUALLY THE RESPONSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHITE PRIVILEGE IS, WELL, WHAT PRIVILEGE DO I HAVE? I’M POOR, AMERICA NEVER GAVE ME ANYTHING. WHITE PRIVILEGE IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DON’T ASK FOR. YOU’RE NOT GIVEN WHITE PRIVILEGE BECAUSE YOU’RE WORTHY OF IT. IT’S NOT A MERIT SCHOLARSHIP. RIGHT. YOU DON’T GET TO JOIN THE CLUB JUST BECAUSE. YOU — YOU ARE BORN IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS COUNTRY IS SET UP AND THE IDEA OF RACE CRAFT IN AMERICA, WHICH I CAN’T TALK ABOUT NOW BECAUSE I WOULDN’T HAVE ENOUGH TIME. BUT YOU’RE BORN WITH WHITE PRIVILEGE. THE SECOND THAT YOU WALK OUT THE DOOR, THE REALITY IS THAT I’M HESHIMI AND I WALK DOWN THE STREET, IF I WALK DOWN THE STREET WITH BISHOP SWAN AND I HAVE THE SAME SUIT ON, HE WAS NICE ENOUGH TO TAKE ME TO THE SAME PLACE WHERE HE BUYS ALL THOSE SHARP SUITS –>>[INDISCERNIBLE] [LAUGHTER]>>IF I’M WALKING DOWN THE STREET WITH BISHOP SWAN, AND I HAVE THE SAME SUIT ON AND WE’RE ENGAGED IN A CONVERSATION, THE REALITY IS, THAT THE WAY THAT WHITE PRIVILEGE WORKS IN AMERICA, IF A POLICE OFFICER COMES NEAR US, THAT POLICE OFFICER IS PROBABLY GOING TO ASK BISHOP SWAN WHAT HE’S DOING WALKING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HE’S NOT GOING TO QUESTION ME. JUST BY THE SIMPLE FACT THAT MY SKIN IS A DIFFERENT COLOR THAN BISHOP SWAN’S. HE’S GOING TO GET QUESTIONED ABOUT WHETHER HE HAS A RIGHT TO BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE WAS AN INSTANCE — I’LL GIVE YOU A SCENARIO –>>WE’RE GOING TO GET RIGHT BACK TO YOU. WE GOT TO LET THIS GENTLEMAN –>>EVERY TIME IT GETS UNCOMFORTABLE, THEY CUT ME OFF. [LAUGHTER]>>TELL ME YOUR NAME AGAIN?>>DAVID ANDREWS.>>YOU WANTED TO ANSWER SOMETHING SPECIFIC?>>IT WAS A CONTINUATION. I HAD THE PLEASURE TO WATCH 13TH.>>TELL FOLKS AT HOME WHO MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THAT IS.>>IT’S A NETFLIX DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE 13TH AMENDMENT, WHICH WAS CRAFTLY INSTALLED INTO LAW, WHAT IS BREAKS DOWN BASICALLY IS THE BIRTH OF THAT RACIST FEAR THAT WE HAVE AND THAT WAS IN THE FILM OF BIRTH OF A NATION. IF YOU HAVE SEEN THIS FILM, IF YOU HAVEN’T, SEE IT. IF YOU HAVE, SEE IT AGAIN. IT WAS INSTALLED INTO WHITE PEOPLE, BLACK PEOPLE, ALL PEOPLE THAT SAW THIS PARTICULAR FILM, THAT BLACK MEN WERE ONLY OUT TO RAPE WHITE WOMEN. THEY HAD THIS WOMAN SITTING ON THE CLIFF –>>WE’RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT MANY DETAILS.>>THAT UNDERLYINGAL INSTALLMENT OF THAT FEAR IS THIS IN EFFECT AND UNTIL WE CAN ACTUALLY FACE THAT PRIVILEGE, THAT WHITES HAVE, NOTHING’S GOING TO CHANGE. EVEN THAT FEAR THAT BLACK ON BLACKS HAVE. THERE’S PLACES IN — I’M SURE IN SPRINGFIELD AND WHERE I’M ORIGINALLY FROM IN CHICAGO WHERE YOU SEE SOME BROTHERS COMING DOWN THE STREET, YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET. THAT’S EVERYWHERE AND UNTIL WE CAN ACTUALLY FACE THAT AND GET THAT FEAR UNDER SIX FEET AGAIN –>>KEEP GOING.>>KEEP GOING.>>YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP AND YOU’RE EXACTLY WHO I WAS LOOKING FOR. DUCK DOWN AND COME OVER AND TALK TO ME BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY WANT TO HEAR FROM WHITE WOMEN. WE TALKED TO WHITE MEN ABOUT WHITE PRIVILEGE. HOW DO YOU PERCEIVE WHITE PRIVILEGE? OR DO YOU PERCEIVE IT?>>WELL, WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, ACTUALLY, WAS HISTORY BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES IS ONE OF THE MOST AHISTORICAL PLACES IN THE WORLD. AND THE HISTORY OF OUR RACISM IS BORN OF SLAVERY. AND, COLONIALISM, AS WELL, WHEN IT APPLIES TO LATINOS, BUT ALSO AFRICANS. AND, WE ARE NOT GENETICALLY RA RACIST. I THINK WE NOTICE DIFFERENCES AMONG EACH OTHER BUT IT WAS THE POWER GIVEN TO WHITE PEOPLE AND THE INTERTWINING OF SEXUALITY AND OPPRESSION OF WOMEN, TOO. IN RELATIONS TO SLAVES AND THEN TO — THROUGH JIM CROW AND ALL THE VIOLENCE THAT IS SO FAR BEYOND MICROAGGRESSIONS. THIS WAS BRUTALITY THAT WAS INFLICTED ON AFRICAN PEOPLE IN ORDER THAT WHITES, PARTICULARLY IN THE SOUTH — BUT ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY — COULD PROFIT. AND, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE WAYS OF UNDERSTANDING OUR RELATIONSHIPS TO EACH OTHER, TODAY, IS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE CAME FROM.>>HISTORY.>>AND I THINK THAT OUR SCHOOLS NEED TO BE BETTER AND MAYBE ARE GETTING BETTER –>>I’M GOING TO ASK LISA ABOUT THAT. TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO ADDRESS WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ING ABOUT.>>IF I COULD GIVE THE WHITE WOMEN PRIVILEGE DEFINITION. WHAT DO WE DO TO CALL PEOPLE’S ATTENTION TO IT? WE NEED TO BE OPEN AND LISTEN TO CONVERSATION AND LISTEN TO PEOPLE’S REALITY. I’VE BEEN AN EDUCATOR IN SPRINGFIELD 27 YEARS AND I HAVE STUDENTS IN THEIR 30S WHO ARE STILL CONTACTING ME AND SOME OF THE STORIES THEY’RE TELLING ME OF THEIR REALITY, IT’S UNEXCUSABLE. ME AS A MOM OF TWO TEENAGE BOYS, WHO ARE WHITE, WILL NEVER BE PULLED OVER ON THE STREET BECAUSE… THEY WILL NEVER BE STOPPED ON THE STREET BECAUSE. MAYBE THEY WILL NOW THAT I’VE SAID THIS. THEY WILL NOT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY LOOK. THEY ARE LIGHT-HAIRED, LIGHT SKIN, THAT’S WHITE PRIVILEGE. MY KIDS CAN DRIVE A CAR. MY KIDS CAN WALK TO THE STORE AND THEY’RE NOT GOING TO BE STOPPED. THAT’S NOT AT ALL THE REALITY OF A LOT OF THESE YOUNG MEN AND I HEAR FROM THEM, STILL, CONSTANTLY, ABOUT THE WAY THAT THEY’RE TREATED. AS FAR AS — I KNOW — YES.>>LET ME GET TO OUR — WE HAVE ONE SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENT. KAREN ON FACEBOOK SAYS, THE WHITE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO HAVE HONEST CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW WE BENEFIT FROM WHITE SUPREMACY AND BE WILLING TO LEVERAGE OUR PRIVILEGE FOR THE COMMON GOOD, THAT’S EASIER SAID THAN DONE. BISHOP, IS THAT POSSIBLE? WE’LL START WITH YOU.>>WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK SHE HITS ON A POINT AND IT REALLY GOES BACK TO WHAT MANY OF THE PANELISTS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING. MY BROTHER WAS TALKING ABOUT IF WE WERE GOING DOWN THE STREET TOGETHER AND HOW WHITE PRIVILEGE WOULD MEAN THAT HE WOULD NOT BE [INDISCERNIBLE] IN THE SAME WAY THAT I MAY BE. WE SAW AN EXAMPLE, NOT TOO LONG AGO, WHERE KIDS IN A TOWN IN TEXAS WERE COSTED BY A POLICE OFFICER AND THE WHOLE THING GOT CAUGHT ON FILM. YOU KNOW HOW IT GOT KAULT CAUGHT ON FILM? ONE OF THE WHITE KIDS WITH THEM COULD TAPE THE WHOLE THING. WHITE PRIVILEGE IS THE FACT THAT DAVE AND SOME OF MY OTHER WHITE BROTHERS IN HERE WOULD NEVER, EVER HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH THEIR SONS AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW NOT TO GET KILLED BY POLICE. LIKE I WOULD — LIKE I HAVE HAD WITH MY 9-YEAR-OLD AND MY 16-YEAR-OLD. T THAT’S PRIVILEGE. IT’S NOT ABOUT NECESSARILY THAT YOU’RE GETTING ANYTHING. IT’S ABOUT YOU’RE WHITE, WE’RE NOT GOING TO SUSPECT YOU, WE’RE NOT GOING TO TREAT YOU A CERTAIN KIND OF WAY. IT SHOULD BE LEVERAGED TO FURTHER THE CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF RACISM IN AMERICA AND WHAT PAUL AND STEVE AND OTHERS ARE TALKING ABOUT, BEING ABLE TO TALK TO OTHER WHITE FOLKS ABOUT IT IS IMPORTANT. I DO A SERIES EVERY YEAR — THIS IS A SHAMELESS PLUG. WE GET AUDIENCES THAT COME OUT ALL THE TIME. MY FINAL SPEAKER THE TIM WISE. IT WILL BE PACKED WITH STANDING ROOM ONLY. HE WILL TELL YOU IT’S A SHAME THAT ALL OF THE WHITE FOLKS COME TO THE LECTURE WHEN THE WHITE MAN COMES TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND THEY WON’T STEP FOOT IN WHEN BLACK FOOTS, WHO ACTUALLY HAVE EXPERIENCED IT AND LIVED IT COME TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.>>SO I’M GOING TO POSE THIS TO THE AUDIENCE, IF I HAVE A PRIVILEGE. IF MEMBERSHIP IS A PRIVILEGE FOR ME, WHY WOULD I TRY TO GIVE THAT UP AND LEVERAGE IT FOR SOMEONE ELSE? YOU, SIR? COME TALK TO ME. WHY WOULD SOMEONE LEVERAGE THEIR PRIV PRIVILEGE, AS THE PERSON ASKED ON FACEBOOK. IT’S HARD TO DO.>>MY NAME IS [INDISCERNIBLE], I’M FROM AMURST. ONE OF THE THINGS I TALK TO MY STUDENTS IS ABOUT, HOW DO WE THINK ABOUT ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER IN A COLLABORATIVE SPACE. IF WE’RE MOVING OUR SOCIETY FORWARD AND HAVING ACCESS TO THE KIND OF RESOURCES WE ALL WANT TO HAVE TO DEVELOP THE RICH LIFE WE ALL FEEL ENTITLED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, WHY NOT CHECK OURSELVES TO BE ABLE TO SAY AND THINK ABOUT HOW CAN WE ALL HAVE ACCESS DO THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE WE SPREAD THE RESOURCES, DOES THAT MEAN LESS PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO IT? NOT NECESSARILY. MY STUDENTS REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE CREATE SORT OF LARGER COMMUNITIES THAT EVERYONE CAN BE INCLUDED, I THINK, IS A VERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATION, JUST BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT MEAN I GET LESS? DOES THAT MENIAL , I’LL GET LESS? I TELL THEM, NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU WILL SIMPLY GET LESS BECAUSE WE ALL BENEFIT WHEN EVERYONE GETS TO BE INCLUDED IN ACCESS TO RESOURCES, TO EDUCATION AND SO FORTH. BUT I THINK THAT THAT’S A REALLY HARD THING TO GET FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SIR, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE YOU COME STEP OVER HERE. YES? THANK YOU, COME TALK TO ME. SO, PRIVILEGE. IT’S HARD TO LEVERAGE, IT’S HARD TO GIVE AWAY.>>I’M ELLIOT AND I’M AN EDUCATOR. I THINK A BIG TURNING POINT, ESPECIALLY MY PREDOMINANTLY WHITE STUDENTS WAS FERGUSON. ONCE THAT HAPPENED, IT WAS ON THE TOPICS OF EVERY BODY’S LIPS. PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO TALK ABOUT RACE OR SLAVERY. THIS IS THE ORIGINS OF THIS. THEY CAN SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, THAT’S NOT RIGHT, I SAW THAT ON THE VIDEO, THEY WERE REALLY KILLING THAT GUY. THEN FOR THE FIRST TIME, THEY COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE’S SOMETHING HERE? IT CAUSED MORE ANXIETY, MORE DEPRESSION, SOMETIMES ARGUMENTS BETWEEN PEOPLE. BUT IT WAS A GREAT AWAKENING AS WAS OBAMA’S ELECTION. AS REVEREND SWAN MENTIONED, THE NEW REGIME, WHICH CAME TO POWER, I BELIEVE, BASICALLY AS HATRID TO OBAMA. TREVON SAYS, DO THEY BELIEVE WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES TO CHANGE HOW RACISM IS VIEWED OR IS IT A TOPIC TO BE DEALT WITH BY THE PEOPLE WHO IT DIRECTLY AFFECTS? DOES IT MAKE SENSE.>>SO THAT’S MY STUDENT. MY FORMER STUDENT. THAT WAS REALLY EXCITING. [LAUGHTER] SO, I THINK TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION IS THAT IT’S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL NEED TO EMBRACE. I KNOW THIS SOUNDS HOKEY BUT THE RACIAL — RACE BEING DEFINED BY THE HEW OF YOUR SKIN IS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT SO WE REALLY ARE A HUMAN RACE. ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDS A LITTLE HOKEY, IT’S TRUE. WE DO NEED TO WORK TOGETHER, RIGHT? THESE KINDS OF DIALOGUES ARE PHENOMENAL BECAUSE WE’RE PUTTING THIS CONVERSATION OUT IN FRONT OF PEOPLE THAT HAS NOT BEEN HAD ENOUGH. THAT’S ONE WAY TO DO IT. AS I WAS SAYING, THOSE OF YOU, INCLUDING MYSELF THAT ARE WHITE, WE CANNOT STOP THIS CONVERSATION UNTIL I CAN LOOK AT MY SISTERS THAT ARE BROWN AND BLACK SKIN AND SAY TO THEM THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE JUST AS SAFE AS MINE, BASED ON WHITE PRIVILEGE. IT’S GOT TO BE A CONVERSATION WE ALL HAVE.>>SO, DAVID, HOW DO YOU GIVE UP YOUR WHITE PRIVILEGE CARD OR LEVERAGE IT OR SHARE IT WITH SOMEONE ELSE? HOW DO YOU DO THAT OR DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT?>>I DON’T THINK YOU HAVE TO GIVE IT UP, I THINK YOU HAVE TO USE IT PROPERLY, AS SOMEONE ON SOCIAL MEDIA SAID. GOING BACK TO PAUL’S COMMENTS, WHITE MEN TALKING TO WHITE MEN, THAT’S AN ISSUE. I STILL HAVE FRIENDS IN BALTIMORE WHO I TALK TO FREQUENTLY, WHO PRETTY MUCH HAVEN’T LEFT THAT LOVELY SEGREGATED ENCLAVE IN NORTH BALTIMORE AND YOU KNOW, I ESCAPED IT FORTUNATELY, BUT THEY DIDN’T AND YET WHEN I TALK TO THEM — THEY’RE MY FRIENDS, I TALK TO THEM ALL THE TIME. WHEN I TALK TO THEM AND WE TALK ABOUT RACE, I MEAN, THEY REALLY BELIEVE THAT THEY’RE WAY BEYOND ANY RACIST ATTITUDES OR FEELINGS.>>AND THAT’S PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY’RE IN GROUPS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE-MINDED LIKE THEM?>>SURE, BACK AND FORTH. SAME THING. I DON’T KNOW, TO STEVE’S QUESTION OR POINT, I GUESS, I DON’T KNOW HOW THEY GET BEYOND THAT. I’M NOT SURE THAT IT’S POSSIBLE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT IS NECESSARY FOR ALL OF US — LIKE ME — IS TO ENGAGE IN CONVERSATIONS LIKE HEALING RACISM, WITH FOLKS WHO DON’T LOOK LIKE US. BUT ALSO, TO READ HISTORY, WHOEVER BROUGHT UP HISTORY, TO READ HISTORY AND TO UNDERSTAND — TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT — WHAT THAT HISTORY IS ABOUT. AND HOW IT’S CREATED THE KIND OF RACISM — FEELINGS OF RACISM AND THE REALITY OF RACISM THAT WE HAVE TODAY.>>WE HAVE TO GO TO TWITTER, WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN WAITING, PUTRESIA FLOWERS, DO YOU THINK IT’S CHANGING WITH MILLENNIALS OR YOUNGER GENERATIONS?>>I’D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING — I’LL ADDRESS THAT POINT BUT ALSO I WANT TO SAY THIS –>>YOU HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.>>THE REALITY IS — I’M SORRY TO DISAGREE. MY REALITY IS WE ALL MAY BE ONE RACE BIOLOGICALLY, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE REALITY IN AMERICA THAT SOCIALLY AND POLITICALLY, THAT’S NOT THE REALITY OF THE WAY OUR COUNTRY RUNS SO I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT THAT WE STAY GROUNDED IN SOME POLITICAL AND SOCIAL REALITIES AND OF COURSE, DEAL WITH THE — THE MORE ESRTERIC CONCEPT OF US BEING ONE RACE. THAT’S WONDERFUL AND THAT CAN BE SOMETHING WE CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARD. SOCIALLY AND POLITICALLY, THAT’S NOT THE REALITY FOR PEOPLE WITH COLOR.>>DO YOU THINK THAT’S CHANGING WITH MILLENNIALS, AS THE PERSON SAID ON TWITTER?>>I THINK WITH MILLENNIALS, MAYBE ON THE SURFACE, SURE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE CHANGING. BUT UNTIL WE REALLY BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE INSTITUTIONAL AND THE SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT EXISTS IN THIS — IN THIS COUNTRY, AND WE ADDRESS THE REALITYS OF HISTORY, WHICH CAN’T BE ADDRESSED IF OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE TEACHING IN CORRECTLY. HISTORICALLY, IF WE’RE TEACHING UNTRUTHS, YOU CAN NEVER GET TO A TRUTH.>>WE GOT ABOUT FOUR MINUTES LEFT. WE HAVE TO GET TO SOME AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION.>>I’M VANESSA FORD, SPRINGFIELD, BORN AND RAISED. I HAVE A CONCERN, I DO HAVE HOPE FOR OUR FUTURE AND FOR THE IDEA OF RACISM TO SHIFT OR TO CHANGE. AND I DO HAVE HOPE FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AND THAT THEY HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE THE CHANGES NECESSARY. TO CHANGE THE REALITY OF TODAY AND HOW RACISM AFFECTS EVERYONE, BUT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE IDEA THAT THE PRESS AND THE MEDIA HAVE THE ABILITY TO REACH EV EV EVERY CORNER OF OUR COUNTRY AND THEY HAVE AFRAID TO TOUCH RACISM. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO REACH ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS AND THEY’RE REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY. A LOT OF THE REPORTERS ARE AFRAID TO REPORT RACISM AND REPORT WHEN IT’S HAPPENING. IT’S SCARY TO KNOW OUR PRESS AND MEDIA ARE AFRAID TO ACKNOWLEDGE RACISM WHEN IT’S RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR FACE. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PANEL, AND PARTICULARLY, HOW CAN THE MEDIA, WHO HAS SUCH POWER IN OUR COUNTRY, BE AFRAID TO ACKNOWLEDGE AND SPEAK ABOUT RACISM AND LEAD US TO TRUTH?>>WELL, THE MEDIA IS INFECTED BY RACISM, JUST LIKE MOST OTHER INSTITUTIONS IN AMERICA. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY’RE PART OF THE — THE REASON WHY RACISM WAS AFFIRMED IN MANY FOLKS IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, YOU HADN’T SEEN A BLACK PERSON UNTIL YOU WENT TO COLLEGE. I WENT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS, THERE WERE STUDENTS FROM VERMONT AND MAINE AND HAD NEVER SEEN A BLACK PERSON AND THEIR ONLY IDEA ABOUT WHO WE WERE WAS WHAT THEY SAW THROUGH THE MEDIA SO THE MEDIA HAS NOT BEEN HELPFUL ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT RACE. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IT, IT’S EMBEDDED — YOUR PRESIDENT SAID THE OTHER DAY, HE SAID, HE’S THE LEAST RACIST PERSON — NOW I DON’T KNOW WHO ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT RACISM. IF I ASKED YOU, WERE YOU A RACIST, YOU THINK, NO, I’M NOT A RACIST. YOU DON’T SAY, I’M THE LEAST RACIST, I’M LESS RACIST THAN YOU ARE.>>I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS GENTLEMAN HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK.>>I WANT TO FOLLOW-UP ON ON A POINT THAT DAVE MADE TO WHITE ALLIES AND USING YOUR WHITE PRIVILEGE TO HELP FOLKS AND CREATE ALLIANCES ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT’S ULTIMATELY HOW YOU’RE GOING TO ADDRESS THESE BASIC AND FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES. IF YOU CAN’T CREATE ALLIANCES AND DIALOGUES AND ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC ACCESS, EDUCATIONAL ACCESS, THERE’S NO WAY WE’RE GOING TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. THAT’S BASICALLY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. THERE’S A LOT MORE, BUT I DON’T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY QUICKLY, WE JUST HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT.>>I’M RON JOHNSON WITH THE MARTIN LUTHER KING, JUNIOR FAMILY SERVICES. THIS IS ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO. I THINK ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING. ONE OF THE STRATEGIES THAT HE EMPLOYED THAT CAN BE UTILIZED — I’D LIKE FOR THE PANEL TO PERHAPS INCLUDE THIS BY EMBRACING THE THOUGHT THAT DR. KING’S TEACHINGS CAN AFFECT, A PATHWAY TOWARDS GREATER UNDERSTANDING.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>I THINK WE’VE GOT A GREAT EXAMPLE ON THE PANEL RIGHT NOW. DAVE, WHO HE STARTED LEADERSHIP PIONEER VALLEY, WAS VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT GOING AND BRINGING PEOPLE ON TO THE BOARD AND INTO THAT ORGANIZATION FROM EVERY WALK OF LIFE. HE WAS VERY DELIBERATE ABOUT THAT AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE DELIBERATE ABOUT CREATING DIALOGUE AND CHANGING THE FACE OF OUR INSTITUTIONS.>>BEING DELIBERATE, JUST LIKE WE HAVE BEEN TONIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TONIGHT, FOR HEALING RACISM, A COMMUNITY DIALOGUE. A THANK YOU TO OUR PANELISTS AND OUR LIVE STUDIO AUDIENCE AND YOU AT HOME FOR ENGAGING US ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND YOUTUBE. I’M TINA MARTIN, HAVE A GREAT NIGHT AND TAKE GREAT CARE. YOU’RE WATCHING WGBY.>>>BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE CONTRIBUTING VIEWERS AND BY. : >>THE BEVERAGE FAMILY FOUN FOUNDATION.

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  • Mr Snuffleupagus

    All you are is a race baiting piece of shit. You don't heal racism, you perpetuate it. You are NOT a man of the cloth.

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